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  1. In the original, hope remained and that I assume most people would have seen that as a reason for optimism in the face of the great evils. But this guy hates hope and now he’s stuck with it.

  2. Presumably, Zach has never read Nietzsche, and thinks that his take on the myth is original.

  3. Hope, like thoughts and prayers is not always an acceptable response to a problem. Actions speak louder than words.

  4. Powers: Whether hope being in the box is good or bad is up for debate (if Wikipedia is to be believed, before Nietzsche). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora%27s_box#Difficulties_of_interpretation :

    “In Hesiodic scholarship, the interpretive crux has endured:[20] Is the hope imprisoned within a jar full of evils to be considered a benefit for humanity, or a further curse?”

    As a kid I found it confusing, because I had several books on Greek myths, which presented hope in different ways. Nice to see Wikipedia confirm that I wasn’t crazy.

  5. “Presumably, Zach has never read Nietzsche, and thinks that his take on the myth is original.”

    I dunno. He probably did. Not sure how he’d think it’d be comprehensible otherwise. Of course I’m not sure why he thought his presentation was any funnier than that laugh riot Nietzsche’s.

    (Winter Wallaby; did you really not think it odd that the person was upset and disturbed at finding HOPE in the box)

  6. Hope can always be disappointed. While despair is ready for the worst, but happily surprised when it doesn’t happen.

  7. I was going to comment that nothing is ever original anymore, but then I realized I presumably hadn’t read Ecclesiastes…

    (And then Winter Wallaby points out that that wasn’t original to Ecclesiastes, if Wikipedia is to be believed…)

  8. I was going to comment that nothing is ever original anymore, but then I realized I presumably hadn’t read Ecclesiastes…

    Good one, larK. BTW, did you notice that the latest Sunday Funnies – LOL posting included a special section explicitly called the “Nothing new under the Sun?” Department?

    But why do you need Ecclesiastes for this message anyway, when we’ve got Pete Seeger?

  9. “But I’m stuck like a dope with this thing called hope and I can’t get it out of my heart.” — Oscar Hammerstein II

  10. OK…since we are not only going with Nietzsche but Ecclesiastes, I feel I need to say something. I saw this comic and saved it because my latest book has a whole section on hope and addressed the Pandora and Nietzsche’s changing views. (And, given the book was about suffering and grief, it deals with Ecclesiastes too.) It is interesting to note that philosophers and theologians have been debating for millennia whether it was a mercy or a curse that hoped remained, for all the reasons noted in the comments above. My take on this was simply that Zach was noting the inherit black humor present in the very story itself, a story that the details of which I would wager most of his readers are just now discovering.

    In case anyone is interested and at the risk of being a hawker, you can find out about the book at: http://christianbrady.com/books

  11. I’ve always thought that Pete Seeger (and the Byrds) never understood his own song: he’s quoting ancient wisdom in a contemporary time of turbulence — presumably to find comfort — to wit: To everything there is a season; and a time to every purpose under heaven. And then lists a bunch of contrasting things that happen each in their time. And then he feels compelled to add: “A time for peace, I swear it’s not too late” (!) — haven’t you been listening to the whole rest of your song??

  12. Thanks so much for those links, Grawlix! I enjoyed the aged-Pete interview , and the origins article with the several performance clips.

    “Kids today” may question why there was any need for a “Folk-Rock” category … and I’m sure this video of The Byrds will not answer that. But there is something weird but charming about them having a trio of Go-Go Girls dancing on platforms, in the most demure imaginable skirts and fluffy sweaters!

    My family (and I on my own later) had several lps of The Weavers. And very odd, a 78RPM album of Songs of The Spanish Civil War, which did not seem to have the musicians listed in print on it, but has been well documented as featuring Seeger. And really, all you have to do is listen to it, and his unmistakeable voice is right there.

  13. I liked the little choreography set they had going on there. Especially the spin move during “Turn Turn Turn”.

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