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  1. Wouldn’t the burden of proof be with the guy who thinks the snow globe is round? Intuitively, it’s most reasonable to think that the world is flat, as was common many years ago. These days, satellite images of course prove it to be round.

  2. Do some googling about FlatEarthers (esp. on YouTube) . . . it’s amazing the reasons they give for saying satellite images are not ‘proof’ . . . boggles the mind. But it’s sad, too, ’cause so many – if not all – are proponents of so many other conspiracy theories, some of which have filtered thru to the upper echelons of government, thus affecting us all (negatively, of course).

  3. “Wouldn’t the burden of proof be with the guy who thinks the snow globe is round?”

    Maybe, if “globe” didn’t mean “something that is spherical”.

    (Note that something can be “flat” and “round” at the same time. Circles are such. Flat Earthers are meh. The really wacky ones are the ones who think the earth is hollow, and open at the poles.)

  4. Pretty much all evidence is manufactured by the conspiracy, according to flat earthers. I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for why the conspiracy goes to so much effort – what is in it for them?

  5. I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for why the conspiracy goes to so much effort – what is in it for them?

    All that money supposedly spent on the non-existent space program. Where did it REALLY go?

  6. I assumed at first glance and assumed it was about global warming denial.

    Then I gave it a first thought….

    … I don’t think there’s anything here…. Nothing that works at any rate.

  7. Somebody once told me that the flat earth conspiracy had something to do with radio/TV broadcast towers and money from/for them(?) but that makes about as much sense as anything else they believe.

  8. ” Intuitively, it’s most reasonable to think that the world is flat, as was common many years ago.”

    I think that’s faulty. I think most people would never consider the question in the first place. If you can conceptualize *asking* the question “what shape is everything we know” I don’t think “flat and infinite” *is* the intuitive default. Then you have to ask how deep is it. What’s underneath it. And then what. and what’s past the ocean… and past that. That’s not to say one *won’t* come up with flat but I think when people *have* asked this question most came up with spherical, in the center of the universe, and a few (nearly all Jewish) came up with a finite square plate held up in a box.

  9. I’m with woozy on first impression.

    Last impressions are that it is totally incoherent — where does the foot-ex-machina enter into it, and how does it apply in any way (other than the allusion to Dr. Johnson from Mitch4), and anyway, what would it do? Kick the globe? (It’s unlikely to be able to smash a good glass globe, and a plastic globe would just be cracked and broken, hardly flat… though maybe I now get a glimpse into the author’s intentions: Kandorian 1 sees the giant foot approaching, and makes the claim that he thinks his habitat is flat; he expects Kandorian 2 to say something like, “no it’s not!” and then, after the foot has stomped the globe but good, Kandorian 1 sez, “Told ya!” Of course, the actual dialog presented has gone off track, and anyway, a global warming joke would have been much more apposite with this set up, no??)

  10. ” I think when people *have* asked this question most came up with spherical, in the center of the universe, and a few (nearly all Jewish) came up with a finite square plate held up in a box.”

    Biblical cosmology has a round plane, with a hemispherical “vault” over it (with stars attached for decoration) and water above the vault and below the Earth. (When God floods the Earth, he does so by opening the vault of Heaven and allowing the waters to pour in, deluging the Earth.)

    At least some of the Greeks worked out the sphericality of the Earth by geometry, but they had crystal spheres arranged outside of it, with the planets attached, and an opaque dome wrapped around the whole.

    19th-century modern physics imagined a substance that existed throughout the universe called “ether”, with zero mass but infinite rigidity, as medium for light waves to travel. They also thought the surface of the Earth was eternal and unchanging, and laughed Wegener out of the room wherever they encountered him. But Verne knew that if you entered at Mt. Sneffels…

  11. Brian in STL: I realize that logic doesn’t have a strong place in this discussion, but I’m pretty sure that the cost of maintaining an international conspiracy to manufacture consistent evidence for a flat earth is significantly more than the cost of the space program.

  12. I noticed that the guy knows it is a globe – but a flat one. That’s kind of weird.
    Flat Earth Society: There’s nothing to sphere but sphere itself.

  13. I have asked and asked this person, “Why would they do that?” and “Would it make any difference to your life if the world were round or flat?”, but I’ve never received an answer. I guess the communication only goes one way on a flat Earth. (I also recommended the DiscWorld series to him, but I doubt he reads. I’ve also found that they believe in a firmament over the Earth, a la ‘The Truman Show’. Which I suspect many have taken as a documentary.)

  14. Just IMAGINE the number of people who’d have to keep quiet. We all KNOW that’d never be possible. No one’s gotten drunk and started talking in a bar; no one’s written a book or even an article in National Enquirer (that I know of, anyway), and more logistics that just. don’t. work. But you cannot reason with unreason.

  15. The “moon-landings were faked” conspiracy theory is itself a conspiracy dreamed up, staffed and funded by the Goobermen to distract committed conspiracy researchers from what is REALLY going on. Obvs.

    There’s also apparently an idea (probably ironic) (scroll to the bottom of this Guardian article) that the Flat Earth Theory is also a Goober conspiracy: “What if all the flat-Earth talk is a big psychological experiment […] Maybe they want to create the perfect concoction of pseudo-science bullshit and fabricated statistics to see who will blindly follow. They can then set up or use the same tactics to further lead the conspiracy community astray. Who else thinks this is a psy-op?”

  16. Arthur that’s funny and all but on discworld the sun and the moon would be far too close to the earth and too small for that to occur. (One of the elephants has to routinely lift its leg to allow the sun to pass through.)

  17. I thought some Flat Earthers were taking their position merely for debate, just to be contrarians, and perhaps didn’t take it all too seriously.

    Perhaps some of the group do take it all too seriously.

    🙂

  18. @James_Pollock, “… Flat Earthers are meh. The really wacky ones are the ones who think the earth is hollow, and open at the poles.”

    Wackiness from flattards includes the fact that gravity is just a conspiracy. No, really, some of them are gravity deniers.

  19. While I know this is Discworld, I thought there would be more turtles. Isn’t the saying: It’s turtles all the way down

  20. I think the foot that’s dropping down is part of the squirrel gag.

    Usually, the squirrel gag involves the squirrel making some observation that serves as a sort of extra joke, but in this case the second joke is the squirrel noticing a foot about to squash the globe. (He’s still making the observation; he’s just not saying it out loud.)

    So if I’m correct, the foot’s not part of the main joke. Which is weird, because the foot is noticed right away, possibly even before the snow globe is seen.

  21. Of course, the flat-snow-glober would be correct if he asserted that the mass they are standing on within the snow globe is flat.

  22. ” No, really, some of them are gravity deniers.”

    How many of THEM own and operate helium mines?

  23. Frequently conspiracy believers seem to want to believe in ALL the ones that they find. Sometimes contradictory ones.

  24. I sent my flat earther correspondent an article about Florida being the state MOST affected by climate warming (as we both live in FL). The only reply:

    Trying to sell Global Warming
    Stop the F)*&^%g Chemtrailing…. And this Global nonsense…..
    Whale [sic – no one said they’re articulate or good typists] up my Sheepeople…..
    It’s Flat, Motionless, No Outer Space…
    The only thing that’s been to outer space is your imagination….

    I mean, there isn’t even anything to discuss here, altho when he began to attack me personally, I said that ad hominem attacks are the last bastion of those who have no argument to make. He did quit that, but most replies are like those above.

    I’ve been reading some psychological aspects of conspiracy theory believers; their main raison d’etre is to make themselves out to be SMARTER and more ‘IN THE KNOW’ than the rest of us. Having known this person when we were in elementary/junior high school, that fits his personality perfectly.

  25. “Wackiness from flattards includes the fact that gravity is just a conspiracy. No, really, some of them are gravity deniers.”

    I’ve heard some believe in the acceleration model. The earth, and maybe the universe, are accelerating a 9.8 m/sec^2.

  26. Conspiracy theory as a hobby is roughly the same as mystery fiction as a hobby… can I put together a framework that covers X, Y, and Z? Note that developing wacky theories and actually believing them to be true are WIDELY different things.

  27. The guy who is saying the globe is flat is facing the direction to see the shoe coming that is about to flatten the globe. His theory is about to be proven. Must be a cheap plastic one, not an ornate glass and resin one.

  28. Andrea – I just heard about the hollow earth idea last weekend on “Murdoch Mysteries” and looked it up – it goes back at least to the time of John Quincy Adams as he was a believer in same. I guess that is where the men from the center of the earth in the 1950s Superman TV show came from.

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